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Pentagon Speeds Up New Bomb Development - Some Say to Attack Iran

 

The Pentagon recently has been given approval to relocate millions of dollars into the development of a bomb known as the Massive Ordnance Penetrator, which some say will be used to attack Iranian nuclear facilities.

ABC News announced the move following the granting by the US Congress to transfer the funds into the speeding up of the new weapon's development.

Suggestions that the bomb may be planned for a future strike on Iran are based on the principle that it would be of little use in Afghanistan or Iraq.

 
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  DO IT!  
 
I say we bomb the hell out
of those damn Iranians!

 
  by: baozytools   10/08/2009 12:33 PM     
  I doubt it  
 
but it would be a very serious mistake if it were true. HUGE mistake. The US government is already fighting 2 other wars that it cannot afford, and both are failures, it does not need a 3rd. The US government just needs to stop playing police altogether.
 
  by: o9k   10/08/2009 01:02 PM     
  @ o9k  
 
It would be a very big mistake and America are media whores, probably releasing this news for attention, they just slapped a big target on themselves with a bulleyes with the words SHOOT ME SHOOT ME !
 
  by: baozytools   10/08/2009 01:12 PM     
  well  
 
When I read this I thought "well, they are building a bomb faster than what was orignally planned... and?" I mean why do they have to immediately assume that they are going to immediately strike when this is complete? Won't it take at least another year before they are willing to use this? Are they planning that far in advanced? sigh
 
  by: nimira     10/08/2009 01:39 PM     
  @baozytools  
 
If we are media whores, it's the fans fault (you!) for continually watching o.O
 
  by: Pyronius     10/08/2009 01:46 PM     
  if someone suicide bombs our nuclear facility  
 
it's terrorism.

You got to spend billions to make it 'legit'
 
  by: redstain   10/08/2009 01:49 PM     
  @redstain  
 
haha, so true
 
  by: JimmyD   10/08/2009 03:10 PM     
  @baozytools & nimira  
 
"DO IT!
I say we bomb the hell out
of those damn Iranians!"

and HOPEFULLY they return the favor and bomb whatever country your from... unless that was sarcasm, if it was, i couldn't tell (the only reason i add thsi addendum is from your second post which seems to be in stark contrast to your first post

ANY country that wantonly commits acts of war should be neutralized and/or isolated until they can learn to be peaceful.

"they just slapped a big target on themselves with a bulleyes with the words SHOOT ME SHOOT ME !"

the was probably the idea, to see if they can provoke iran into attacking them to make them look like the victims.... its all very standardized and predictable now with the US. they either provoke a country into attacking them or they stage a crisis and blame it on their target.


@nimira

"I mean why do they have to immediately assume that they are going to immediately strike when this is complete?"

gee probably because the US has planned to stike "dozens of stategic" facilities (mostly nuclear, or suspected nuclear sites) since AT LEAST 2005. the number has likely expanded to over 100 stategic sites since then, esspecially considering the rapid expansion of iran nuclear power developement.


@redstain

spot on!
 
  by: HAVOC666     10/08/2009 04:25 PM     
  @redstain  
 
LOLz,

Suicide bomber: The poor man's smart bomb.
 
  by: VermiciousG     10/08/2009 04:26 PM     
  Let  
 
the God protect us from exploding a bomb with a big srenght then really the third world war may break out or everything will be cleared out of the following bomb explosions.
 
  by: vizhatlan     10/08/2009 04:28 PM     
  ALL  
 
of this on behalf of Israel!!!

Didn't he (Obama) scrap Bushes Missile defense. http://www.shortnews.com/...

I still cant understand this country, and now I really believe there is absolutely no reason to celebrate Rep's or Dem's in the office. They all have all of their orifice plugged with master puppeteers hand buried up to their eye balls.

Seriously! When will Americans ever going to realize this predicament? I bet you $ this is to show that Obama is tough, start this frenzy for re-election...

Here comes change America, only in a form of Nuclear rain. BAH!! :(
 
  by: skcusswentrohs     10/08/2009 06:22 PM     
  So that's ok then...  
 
and we leave Israel to keep all there bombs and massacre innocent people.
 
  by: captainJane     10/08/2009 06:38 PM     
  Can we please just nuke the entire middle east?  
 
AND BE DONE WITH IT?! C'mon, we could have done this years ago and been beyond the guilt and moved into the apology stage.
 
  by: vex   10/08/2009 07:02 PM     
  If the US is crazy enough to do it  
 
this will be the true beginning of World War 3. I think many people have no idea what that would mean. Iran is not like Iraq or Afghanistan, Iran has a modern & strong military and other Islamic Nations and Russia/China would not sit idly by and do nothing. Oil prices would go trough the roof, the American economy would totally collapse.
 
  by: evilrat   10/08/2009 07:49 PM     
  Heh..  
 
Makes me think of George Carlin... Our economy might suck but we can sure as hell bomb the shit out of your country.

Evil rat if we do attack Iran it will only be air strikes I would think. No invasion. And Iraq once boasted the 3rd largest military in the world.

Back in the 80's Israel bombed Iraq's nuclear facilities and got away with it. And just a year or two ago Israel bombed Syria's nuclear facilities.

The only thing to fear from Iran is their countless terrorist organizations. And to fear terrorist is for cowards like Spain who retreat after being attacked.
 
  by: steme   10/08/2009 09:36 PM     
  @steme  
 
The US and Israel could get away with it if other Nations keep still but i doubt that. I never tought about a full invasion, it is cleat that we will see "shock and awe" again. But even if they only have to fight Iran, that would still cause massive rise in oil prices which is devastating for the economy.
 
  by: evilrat   10/08/2009 09:43 PM     
  havoc  
 
"gee probably because the US has planned to stike "dozens of stategic" facilities (mostly nuclear, or suspected nuclear sites) since AT LEAST 2005. the number has likely expanded to over 100 stategic sites since then, esspecially considering the rapid expansion of iran nuclear power developement."

Independant proof that is not from some loony conspiracy or anti-American news outlet. Just because you think so and want the US to be at fault for everything is not proof.

Sorry that the US isn't going to get rid of all the weapons we own and roll over so everyone can do whatever they want to with us. At least before every could use Bush as their scapegoat for being Anti-US, now since there isn't Bush or a republican in office the fact that it is plain hatred for the US and it's citizens becomes much clearer. With all the hatred going on it isn't surprising that there will be more done in the name of defense.
 
  by: TaraB     10/08/2009 10:01 PM     
  @TaraB  
 
Where do you think the hatred comes from? Could it be that the US has fought countless, unnecessary wars in the past decades and cant stop meddling in the affairs of nations that have done nothing to the US?
 
  by: evilrat   10/08/2009 10:13 PM     
  30 minutes  
 
Total Destruction in 30 minutes or the next ones free!
 
  by: pmartina   10/08/2009 10:39 PM     
  @evilrat  
 
Did you ever see me say that the US is perfect? I have a habit of calling the government out on things they do wrong, I don't follow anyone blindly.

I also don't sit back in my chair and blame the country for every single thing that goes wrong in the world.

Are you going to tell me that Germany hasn't done anything wrong in their existence? Do you live in a perfect country? Does Havoc? No, of course not.

Should the American posters turn around and blame you and your citizens for each thing that has happened in the your countries history? Are you the exact same thing as your government?

There is no perfect government and no innocent country in the world. For many years the US was and has been turned to for help in many situations. So much has been done that we will never even learn about that is because of the US giving assistance when needed. Hell we even show up to help countries in trouble better than we did with our own country when Katrina hit.

The US isn't on earth just for war or military reasons and that is not the only thing we are often called upon for. Maybe since we are so evil we shouldn't give aid to any countries and just focus on the aid our own citizens need, I mean after all Germany and Canada can pick up all the slack.
 
  by: TaraB     10/08/2009 11:10 PM     
  @TaraB  
 
I beg to differ.

USA has meddled in every other country for purpose none other than its own. As it may appear that, when other countries need help they look towards USA, America does not give unless they have something to take. They also take from countries that are very, very poor but have natural resources.

America creates a market for goods belonging to other nations, they create the value and buy wholesale, only to resale it again.

Thats including Oil and other natural resources like Gems.

USA started this War, way back befor Shah of Iran was toppled by the revolution, this was because, Iran was arranging other Oil producing countries to Sale oil in any other currency than US DOllar.

Now the current blatant situation, the kind of 'In YO FACE' is whats happening to Palestine and Israel, including this prediacament which will end the lives of many US soldiers.

This will be a mistake, and a very big one, Iranian Shiah Muslims are the most ruthless and none fearing. I have seen with my own eyes an Iranian blowing himself up at Hydes Park, during Iranian revolution. To Shia Muslims violence is simply their way of daily life and there are quite few of them in States who wont mind becoming martyr.
 
  by: skcusswentrohs     10/09/2009 12:14 AM     
  @shortnewssucks  
 
So it was the U.S. that made a big triangular border in the Middle East to create a country out of Shias, Sunnis and Kurds so that they'd constantly fight one another and be easy for colonial forces to rule, was it? No, wait, that was Britain, right, with the creation of Iraq after WWI.

But all the poverty and famine across Africa is the U.S.' fault, right? Oh wait, Britain and France colonized and pillaged Africa, while the U.S. sends it billions of dollars in relief.

Yeah, the U.S. has done some bad stuff. But there's plenty of blame to go around. Anti-Americanism is ... well, what did Obama call it, on what the Republicans called his "apology tour"? Oh, here we go:

"In Europe, there is an anti-Americanism that is at once casual but can also be insidious. Instead of recognizing the good that America so often does in the world, there have been times where Europeans chose to blame America for much of what's bad," Obama said.

Both of these attitudes "do not represent the truth," Obama continued. "America is changing, but it cannot be America alone that changes." (http://abcnews.go.com/...
 
  by: Ben_Reilly     10/09/2009 01:36 AM     
  So  
 
"USA started this War, way back befor Shah of Iran was toppled by the revolution, this was because, Iran was arranging other Oil producing countries to Sale oil in any other currency than US DOllar."

There is no war against Iran right now and all these assumptions about it is just that at this point and time:AN ASSUMPTION.

"including this prediacament which will end the lives of many US soldiers.

This will be a mistake, and a very big one, Iranian Shiah Muslims are the most ruthless and none fearing. I have seen with my own eyes an Iranian blowing himself up at Hydes Park, during Iranian revolution. To Shia Muslims violence is simply their way of daily life and there are quite few of them in States who wont mind becoming martyr."

Again, you are talking about something that has not happened yet and has been reported in a paragraph. I know that some of you got a woody for the whole US/Iran on both sides but it has not happened yet and hopefully will not.

I guess that it helps to act like it is happening so there is a reason to say why the US is this or that. As for the rest of what you said I happen to disagree with much of it and even the parts I do concede has occured in certain situations is nothing different than many other countries has done even your own possibly.

As I have mentioned before the US is not prefect just like no county can claim it is. I also have the ability to know that it is often the government that is the problem and not the citizens.
 
  by: TaraB     10/09/2009 01:46 AM     
  Nice...  
 
So Israel isn't mentioned ONCE in the article yet a few of you are all "This is Israel's fault!"

The USA is capable of making their own decisions for their own reasons. As others have said, every country has made terrible mistakes but time after time only Israel gets blamed.

While we're at it, can we blame Bush and Blair even though neither is in power?
 
  by: fuzz64   10/09/2009 04:40 AM     
  Iran's Leader  
 
Is a guy who denies the Holocaust, despises followers of the Jewish faith, as well as homosexuals of any creed or color. While most of the world mourned on 9/11, he celebrated the murder of close to 3,000 innocent people. His country is a safe haven for extremist/terrorist groups alike, all with the same vision of seeing the USA fall.

Were he to make a Nuclear weapon, the blast would not be from a missle fired out of Iran. It would be a dirty bomb, made in Iran, and sold/given to one of the many terrorist groups that call his country home.

The international community has repeated condemned his actions. If he should have the ability to make a nuclear weapon, he would pose the single greatest threat to the USA and it's allies, which is why it cannot be allowed to happen.

Havoc- How would you feel if a bomb he made was detonated in Seattle or Chicago? If the wind is right, it will carry radioactive fallout north, sickening or possibly killing your countrymen. I don't want to see this happen, anymore than I hope you don't want to see this happen. Which is why there is a way to make certain this doesnt happen...dont let him have the opportunity to make the bombs.

 
  by: SoulSerenity   10/09/2009 07:46 AM     
  Planning doesn't mean they're going to do it.  
 
The US spent trillions on nuclear warheads they planned to use on the soviet union. But they never did. Because they didn't have to, it was a plan they hoped they would never have to use but they don't want to be caught with their pants down.
 
  by: tiggyfiggy   10/09/2009 09:51 AM     
  @soulserenity  
 
"How would you feel if a bomb he made was detonated in Seattle or Chicago?" - soulserenity

I guess the Iranian civilians would have their day pretty ruined when they see our F11a shoot past their window too.

"There goes the neighbourhood" - a sentiment both nations can appreciate.
 
  by: redstain   10/09/2009 09:53 AM     
  F117 (or rather B2)  
 
(half asleep)
 
  by: redstain   10/09/2009 09:56 AM     
  @Redstain  
 
"I guess the Iranian civilians would have their day pretty ruined when they see our F11a shoot past their window too."

exactly, right past their window to target a military run/guarded Nuclear facility...not to target civilians.

"There goes the neighbourhood"

There goes the WMD manufacuting facility. It would actually be there goes the neighbourhood...and the other blocks within a 5 mile radius of ground zero if Iran's leader gets his hands on nuclear weapons.
 
  by: SoulSerenity   10/09/2009 10:09 AM     
  @soulserenity  
 
wrong on two levels.
terrorism is classed as attacking infrastructure as well as civilians.
- water
- gas
- roads
- communications

2) detonating a nuclear power station doesn't harm civilians?
like saying detonating a dirty bomb outside the outskirts of "Seattle or Chicago" doesn't harm civilians.
 
  by: redstain   10/09/2009 12:09 PM     
  @soulserenity  
 
"How would you feel if a bomb he made was detonated in Seattle or Chicago?"

wthen and only then would he deseerve the bullshit that america and israel are constantly giving iran... and FYI this has very little to do with a nuclear bomb its all about politics and the US completely lost control of politics there and has been sanctioning them ever since... even before this... but most people's memory aren't that long... nor do much people have any inclination to do research that might shatter the isolated bubble (that includes the information they get through mainstream channels) that they live in.

and again the US is the ONLY country to EVER misuse nuclear power so to say the least the US is the absolutely last country that should ever be opening their ignorant mouth about other countries aquiring nuclear power.

"dont let him have the opportunity to make the bombs."

yet almost all of their enemies ALREADY have them... and you seem fine with that... hypocritical to say the least.

and by the way... don't try to invoke an emotion response of sympathy because if some afghani strapped on a vesrt and blown up the army recruitment office downtown in my city i'd be saying we deserved it for being in afghanistan... and we would have deserved it too... i don't hold my canadian lives above the lives of other netions people as many if not most people do, so i have no conflict with the concept of turn-about-is-fair-play.

either nuclear power and/or weapons are acceptable or they aren't... most people are just playing favorites with their nations and their allies.
 
  by: HAVOC666     10/09/2009 12:43 PM     
  @Redstain  
 
This theoretical attack we are discussing would not be a terrorist attack because its would be enforcing a widely accepted international policy That Iran should not be allowed to make nuclear weapons. In fact, President Obama has made it a priority of his to attempt to rid nuclear weapons entirly.

Secondly, if you read my post, I never said that civilians wouldn't be harmed, I said they wouldn't be targeted. This would be a preventative strike in order to stop a nuclear attack on a civilian population.
 
  by: SoulSerenity   10/09/2009 12:55 PM     
  Stupid americans  
 
My grandmother told me a lot about how the Nazis came to power and why the germans did nothing to stop them. The germans were told that the attack on Poland was only to defend our country. Many agreed, because polands army attacked a Civilan Radiostation and burned down some german villages in the week before. Germany had to react, to defend itself from these dangerous foreigners. Then, a terrorist jew attacked our parliament building and destroyed most of it, the Reichstag in Berlin. We needed to defend our country from these terrorists so we locked up all jews in concentration camps. Hitler was tough, defending our country so we followed him! Today, these same tricks are played on you, the americans, but you are as foolish as the germans and don't know what simply psychological tricks your government is playing on you. You follow your "hitlers" just like we followed ours. And if you are not careful, it will end just as bad. But after is all over and done, the people will say "Who could have known that" and "I never thought thats possible" because that was what the germans said when they saw what they had done with the concentration camps and the unbelievable destruction the war caused. Just as Americans dont know and don't care that their military killed over a million Iraqis in the war and kills thousands more each week. But, you are just defending yourself from terrorists right?! You just want to bring freedom and peace to the world? Thats exactly what Hitler told us!
 
  by: evilrat   10/09/2009 01:44 PM     
  @Havoc  
 
No, nuclear weapons are not acceptable, which is why the President of the United States has made it a priority to try and rid the world of Nuclear weapons, which is a nice thought...i think we can agree on that.
A great step toward achieving that goal would be to stop a racist, hate mongering psychopath from obtaining them.

But I know it really doesnt matter what I say here. You are so utterly blinded bny your own ignorace you could get drunk, fall down a flight of stairs and break your leg, and then blame it on the USA for driving you to drink....
 
  by: SoulSerenity   10/09/2009 01:49 PM     
  When do you know to stop  
 
Militarily, the americans won the iraq war. The loss to american lives is minimal compared to the on-going loss of lives of the iraquis. America can secure a lot more military victories.

Also the Americans managed to meet most of their objectives for going into Iraq. A hit on iran might be stupid or a folly, it just depends on how they define their objectives.
 
  by: kmazzawi     10/09/2009 03:19 PM     
  @soulserenity - wanna be more specific?  
 
"In fact, President Obama has made it a priority of his to attempt to rid nuclear weapons entirly." - soulserenity

Was that entirely (starting with our own or with everyone else?) Thought so.

"I never said that civilians wouldn't be harmed, I said they wouldn't be targeted." - soulserenity

Think Chernobyl fallout - and then shove your 'targetting'
 
  by: redstain   10/09/2009 03:46 PM     
  @Evilrat  
 
"Where do you think the hatred comes from? Could it be that the US has fought countless, unnecessary wars in the past decades and cant stop meddling in the affairs of nations that have done nothing to the US?"

Isnt fighting countless pointless wars what brought Europe to where it is today?
 
  by: Pyronius     10/09/2009 09:32 PM     
  @Redstain  
 
President Obama has made it very clear that he wishes to rid EVERY nation of their nuclear arsenals. It is going to be a diplomatic, mutual drawdown of arms over time. To dispose of the USA's nuclear arsenal first and leave it completly vulnerable to attack is illogical.

When it comes to the chernobyl fallout, If Iran's "President" cares about his citizens, he would stop his efforts in trying to make a Nuclear Weapon, because the US cannot risk civilian lives by allowing him to obtain them. If he continues with his efforts, he is putting his own people at risk.

 
  by: SoulSerenity   10/10/2009 08:29 AM     
  Suggestive Name?  
 
Although it's Juvenile, I think it should be pointed out that the name of the bomb is "Massive Ordinance Penetrator"! So, my under-evolved masculine brain is telling me is that the United States is behaving in a way the males typically behave when they are not happy about their place in life (their job/career is bad, economic trouble, their problems in their relationship, etc.); they start comparing the size of their 'member' and feeling like they need or looking to get an 'upgrade'. I went looking for the original article just to make sure it wasn't sponsored by Viagra or something.
 
  by: zedemMonk   10/10/2009 09:53 AM     
  fear nothing  
 
we can see them chanting bring it on.save our world with more bombs.keep the world in fear.just wondering when humans get build a world of balance of nature.
 
  by: flukemol   10/10/2009 02:41 PM     
  @TaraB  
 
As much as it has not happened, reality has a difference out take on issues dealt with America.

We used to say the same, "It wont Happen, Americans are not stupid" We forgo that, their leaders are nothing but stupid. WMD anyone?

Unfortunately, there are also those, who hang those signs in the back of their pick ups and lorries that read "Support our Troops" regardless of what they a are doing or asked to do, like puppets. Then we see pictures of the same supported on top of a human pile smiling. http://3.bp.blogspot.com/...
Or, http://2.bp.blogspot.com/... or http://2.bp.blogspot.com/... I think you get the picture.

Do I continue having a woody after seeing these atrocities? NO I dont, instead I need to have it plucked out, it simply recoiled back in my stomach.

Now if yo read the caption above, you will notice, these assumptions are in the headline. I did not make them up, it reads "Some Say to Attack Iran"

 
  by: skcusswentrohs     10/10/2009 11:13 PM     
  Skcuss  
 
"Now if yo read the caption above, you will notice, these assumptions are in the headline. I did not make them up, it reads "Some Say to Attack Iran"

What the title says and how people are responding are two different things. Some say has turned into They are and that is just not true as of now.

As for the pictures I am more than aware of them and have already said they were repulsive and that everyone who had a hand in that should have been tried for war crimes.

I do not blindly support my country, I do not blame it for everyone's problems either. It is easier for people to lay all the blame at one place instead of seeing who else is asking/hoping or making back room deals for the US to put it's face on the lead of many things.
 
  by: TaraB     10/10/2009 11:39 PM     
  @TaraB  
 
It may be because people are simply tired of these Wars which are constantly waged by USA on behalf of Israel.

Iran is constantly being watched and scrutinized by Americans. If you really think, you may as well ask why? Iran has never said itwill bomb America, but it is Americans who are questioning and answering. If the fear of Iran acquiring Nuclear bombs to wipe Israel, dont you think it is Israel that should legitimately seek grounds to have these goons stopped?

Instead we saw Bush, and now Obama, while at the same time helping and stocking Israel with Nuclear Arsenal.

Some here say "BOMB them" lets get over with, as though these Iranians are not human and their lives mean F@#K all, whether they exist or not.

I think USA need to stop this madness and bring humanity on the table.
 
  by: skcusswentrohs     10/11/2009 03:07 AM     
  I heard  
 
about this a few years ago, and i thought they were going to use it on underground fortifications to penetrate deeply and collapse tunnels
 
  by: Kiralon   10/12/2009 06:57 AM     
  Kiralon  
 
The bomb you are talking about is the "Bunker Buster"

It is designed to be dropped in or onto the entrance of a cave and cause massive damage inside. The USA has been using it in Afghanistan for some time.
 
  by: SoulSerenity   10/12/2009 11:58 AM     
 
 
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